The Design Of Business | The Business of Design

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Interviews with fascinating people from a range of industries—from music and retail to journalism and technology—who are exploring their creative practices, inventing new ways of working, and helping shape a more inclusive world.

In the 11th season of DB|BD,  co-hosts Jessica Helfand and Ellen McGirt are observing equity by highlighting the “redesigners” — people who are addressing urgent problems by challenging big assumptions about how the world can and should work — and who it should work for.


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  • obacker19
    Entertaining, insightful and actionable! 🔥
    Whether you’re well established as someone who can translate creative energy into the impact you want to have on the world, or are just getting started as a catalyst for change - this is a must-listen podcast for you! Ellen and Jessica do an incredible job leading conversations that cover a huge breadth of topics related to the ins and outs of building a thriving career and life you can be proud of - from leaders who’ve actually walked the path. Highly recommend listening and subscribing!
  • WarrenBenton
    Design time
    Each podcast is a different designer with a different approach to different problems. The thing I love about this podcast it’s not just “wow that is a great design” the host try to peel away the layers of the design process so we can all learn.
  • marcus05976
    Amazing Podcast
    I listen to this podcast while working on projects or when I have downtime, it makes for good background noise or for engaging commentary. It fits a lot of roles and I'm learning new things about design every time I listen!
  • JamAnnika
    They did it again!
    Once again Michael and Jessica elevate the conversation of design beyond what something looks like- this time focusing on how to be most effective. Thanks for your deep, broad (and fun) conversations that both tie together and unravel my preconceptions!
  • Paul Rubio
    Very Good
    I prefer this one instead of The Observatory, and the love their mixed choice of guests interviewed. Michael and Jessica are always a great duo in podcasting and I believe they have found there niche here.
  • PASouthern
    Yes!
    Love this podcast! It's the intelligent banter of Jessica and Michael, now brought to interviews with fascinating people. Can't wait to hear what's next.
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